His Divine Grace Srila Gour Govinda Swami.

Devotee 1: Guru Maharaja, someone is saying, that in 1996 you said that Kali will leave the movement.


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes!


Devotee 1: Kali is in the movement now? The same Kali that Maharaja Parikshit was…


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes!


Devotee 1: That personality is in our movement? Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Why is there quarelling? That is Kali’s activity.


Devotee 1: And in 1996 he will leave?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Kali is weak now, but still he is there—weak. He is getting more and more weak. So in 1996, finish!


Devotee 1: What is that due to, why is he getting weak? Why is he getting weak, Guru Maharaja?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Because this is Mahaprabhu’s movement. It is spreading, and serious devotees are coming up, serious devotees who are strictly following the regulative principles and chanting nicely. Then Kali becomes weak, but if that is not there, then he gets strength.


Devotee 1: Does that mean the acarya will soon come to prominence?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes. Kanupriya Gosvami has said that after 500 years of Mahaprabhu’s appearance we observed a festival, the 500th year the fifth centennial of Mahaprabhu’s appearance. He has said it will spread more, particularly in the west. That has happened now. In Russia, you find it is banned, but there are so many Russians and they are coming to India in great numbers. That is the symptom. In the west it spreads more than in India. That is because they cannot get peace, going from the top of material enjoyment, you see, the highest level, no peace. So now it is catching up. It is spreading there.


In India it is not spreading so much. India is like the wet well [the grass is very green around it] and the west is like a dry well [the grass is very dry around it]. The west is like a dry well; the fire catches easily; but India is a wet well. Kanupriya Gosvami said this. It is because in India there are so many organizations and they all say, “O, I know”, “We know, we know”. So it is not spreading so much. But in the west it is spreading.


After the 500th anniversary of Mahaprabhu it will spread. He has said that, and it is taking place. He said that from 1986, (Mahaprabhu’s 500th anniversary, 1486 to 1986, 500 years) Mahaprabhu’s movement will spread. Devotees will come up, then Kali will become weaker, so Kali became weaker from that day in 1986. Then he said, “Still Kali will stay in the movement; he has some strength and it will last for 10 years.” That will be from 1986 to 1996. For ten years it will remain but it will become weaker and weaker. But in 1996, no more! Prema, prema – love will come. “The Prema-yuga will come”, he said. Kanupriya Gosvami also said this. He was from Navadvipa and he comes in the line of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.


Then there is Fakir Mohan Das, a local research scholar, he is a Vaisnava. He is a professor at Utkal University. He has a Ph.D in sanskrit and is presenting a thesis on Mahaprabhu. In this thesis he has written all that Kanupriya Gosvami has predicted. So aparadhas, nama-aparadhas are still there now, but after 1996 there will be no nama-aparadha. Then the Prema-yuga will come. Kanupriya Gosvami has predicted this.


Devotee 2: Those who are following the nama-aparadha, will they be vanquished?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes! Now there is nama-aparadha because this is the influence of Kali. But if there is no nama-aparadha, the pure name will come out, and then you will get prema. Then Kanupriya Gosvami said, “Prema-yuga will come!”


Devotee 1: Some are saying that many devotees will leave the movement in 1996.


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes! They will leave because there is no patience and no power of tolerance. They will leave. Have patience, have tolerance, tolerate everything. Stay, stay, stay. Tolerate everything, then you will achieve it. This research scholar, Fakir Mohan Das, has quoted from the books of Kanupriya Gosvami, “from 1986 to 1996 Kali will become weaker, weaker, weaker, and by 1996 will have no strength; Kali has no strength. Then the devotees will never commit any aparadha , nama aparadha. So they’ll chant the pure name. They’ll get prema. Prema-yuga will come.” This was how he spoke.


Devotee 2: So devotees will make a lot more advancement after that time?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: After 1996, yes. Now they are committing nama-aparadha. So there is quarelling, fighting and all those sorts of things going on.


Devotee 1: Guru Maharaja, will the acarya appear around that time?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: acarya, it is said, is like a patch of black cloud covering the effulgent sun. The cloud is removed, the sun will come out. That is how the acarya will appear.


Devotee 1: So at that time it should happen?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes, yes, gradually, gradually.


Devotee 1: There are many psychics predicting a war, they are predicting a world war.


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: There should be a war, otherwise how will these unnecessary things be destroyed? The unwanted should be destroyed. Then the pure thing will come out. There was a great war, Mahabharata war, then after that, dharma was established. Krishna did it. War must be there.


Devotee 1: Because the war is predicted in the Bhavisya Purana, for this Kali-yuga, for this period?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes!


Devotee 1: It is predicted around this time.


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes!


Devotee 1: And after the war, that will herald the sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya and the pure chanting of the Holy Name?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes!


Devotee 1: Yes. So it is all going to happen soon?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes!


Devotee 2: So there will be a great devastation and afterwards…?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Great devastation, yes. Devastation is required.


Devotee 1: What will happen to ISKCON, Guru Maharaja, during the war?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: This is Mahaprabhu’s movement.


Devotee 1: Nothing?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Nothing.


Devotee 1: What about the temples?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Temples. The Lord is there, what will happen?


Devotee 1: Nothing.


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: What will bombs do? Bombs will never burst here!


Devotee 1: Here, I am talking about all the temples around the world.


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: If it is a real temple, if real Deities are there, the bomb will never burst there. There was a great earthquake in L.A; the city was devastated. I heard this in Kenya while speaking on the phone to one of my disciples. He said, “No, nothing has happened [to the temple in L.A] only some pillars have cracked. They have taken out the Deities from the simhasana and have put them in the sankirtana bus.” This thing happened in the L.A. temple. In other places there was so much devastation.


Devotee 1: So if it is a real temple, if Krishna is really there, then the bomb can’t… Yes that makes a lot of sense.


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes! (laughing)…And Krishna wanted to destroy His dynasty with fighting. There was fighting, everything, and Krishna was going to disappear. He was staying in Dvaraka, and the whole place, everything, was inundated. The sea came, the ocean came, but the residence where Krishna was staying, that was not inundated. It is mentioned in the Mahabharata.


Devotee 2: A dangerous period is coming!


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: A dangerous period is coming. Then good will come out.


Devotee 1: And the Guru will come out in that period?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Everything nice will come out.


Devotee 1: The acarya? Everything?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Everything!


Devotee 1: Will there be preaching, in that period?


Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes, it will be an active period for preaching. His Divine Grace also mentioned many times that when Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was personally present on this planet 510 years ago, He completely choked up the personality of Kali. Therefore Kali had nowhere to go and was chocking, (gasping for air). The residence of Kali is in those places where there is illicit sex, intoxication, meat eating and gambling. Mahaprabhu closed all the doors to these activities by His personal presence on the planet. Therefore Kali had nowhere to go.


Then His Divine Grace would ask, “Where is Kali to go?” And then he would answer, “Kali shaved his head, wore tilaka, put on kanthi-mala, and began chanting on japa-mala, and pretended to be a devotee but actually he was a kali-chela. Now Kali could survive because he was posing as a devotee, but actually he was a kali-chela, only posing as a devotee, to perform illicit activities and to get money in disguise of a devotee!”


And His Divine Grace would quote the Sri Caitanya-caritamrta:


sabara carane dhari, pade dui bhai
sabe bale, dhanya tumi, paile gosani
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 1:220)


Translation: In accordance with the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the two brothers, Rupa and Sanatana, immediately touched the lotus feet of these Vaisnavas, who all became very happy and congratulated the two brothers for having received the mercy of the lord.


Purport: This behavior is indicative of real Vaisnavas. When they saw that Rupa and Sanatana were fortunate enough to receive the mercy of the Lord, they were so pleased that they all congratulated the two brothers. A jealous in the dress of a Vaisnava is not at all happy to see the success of another Vaisnava in receiving the Lord’s mercy. Unfortunately in this age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaisnavas, and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur has described them as the disciples of Kali. He says, kali-chela. He indicates that there is another Vaisnava, a pseudo-Vaisnava with tilaka on his nose and kanthi beads around his neck.


Such a pseudo-Vaisnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaisnavas. Although passing for a Vaisnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaisnava. Bhaktivinoda Thakura therefore says that such a pseudo-Vaisnava is not a Vaisnava at all but a disciple of Kali-yuga. A disciple of Kali cannot become an acarya by the decision of the high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava Acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgement. A false acarya may try to over-ride a Vaisnava by a high court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.